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Sorry, first link is in German.

wiebke can read the source, the rest will have to believe me.-

German online magazine Telepolis reports that linguists from New Zealand quote statistic evidence that the Indo-European family of languages originated 8.500 to 9.000 years ago in the highlands of Anatolia. The findings are by no mean non-controversial or uncontested, but still.

All of us who have been at GrisseCon know who lived exactly in that place exactly at that time. Did these people really invent everything we use, even the precursor of the effin' language today's global mainstream culture is carried by???

At a slightly different note:

wiebke told me at the chat that Ricardo was totally surprised and flabberghasted at GrisseCon when he listened to Andy Collins' lecture about the Watchers - because he had never heard of them, but realised immediately that they were almost identical to the Chosen in his books (that he thought he had invented all by himself)!! I thought he'd done it all on purpose, masterfully working with archetypes from every human culture, making the Watchers the hub of a civilisation that spread worldwide, but I was wrong! It wasn't on purpose, it was the archetypes asserting themselves by purely memetic strategies: being part of our culture, Ricardo knew the Watchers without realising that he did.

Now he knows officially and up-front. I only hope that new knowledge won't interfere with his finishing the third part of his wonderful book...

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I tried to ask this in chat on Saturday, but either people didn't want to answer or just didn't see the question...

What are these 'Watchers' thingies you guys keep talking about?

Poor Lady! The watchers probably were an ancient people of very advanced civilisation that lived about 9000 years ago in the mountains of Anatolia and Kurdistan, and that have come down in history as angels. They appear to have been the very first to have started our culture as we know it which has, by now, swept through all the world. They seem to have made all the most important discoveries of the Neolithic revolution all by their lonesomes, and much earlier than anyone thought. Their very existence has been a crackpot theory until a very short time ago when something resembling proof turned up at a very ancient excavation site at Göbekli Tepe in Turkey. Andy Collins who gave a lecture at GrisseCon wrote about them long before there was that evidence, thus labeling himself a crackpot and gleefully adhering to that label still, although I think his ideas and methods are much more sensible, rational and mainstream scientific than he gives himself credit for. Follow the link for "Andy Collins" in my main entry to find out more about the Watchers, and the links where I say "I thought" for my last Watcher entry on my LiveJournal.-

Ahh, yes, and Storm wrote a trilogy about them: "Stalking Tender Prey", "Scenting Hallowed Blood" and "Stealing Sacred Fire", collectively known as the Grigori Trilogy (Grigori as in the Greek word for "shepherd" (=watcher), which *did* become a first name, Gregory in English, and Grigori in Russian, mostly after St. Gregory of Nyssa; and that just happened to be Rasputin's first name, so if I come to the chat as Raspy, that's the name I have to use, even if Storm teases me about it every time she sees me online in that guise).

You might have met them in the most unlikely of contexts, in the hilarious movie "Dogma" with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck (and Alan Rickman as Metatron, more importantly). One of those angels in that movie is called "a Grigori", although he certainly isn't (for the aforementioned reason: the Grigori were an ancient people that only seemed to be angels for their contemporaries because they were so advanced, and not really spiritual beings beyond the constraints of time).

So, I hope all understanding has been cleared up completely, and I have confused you utterly - always a good place to start some new research...

Aaah! Ok, thank you! Far less confuzzled now! I'll take a look at that link when I get a chance (and if I haven't by chat time, have Raspy or Princess scold/remind me and I'll scamper off to read)

Thanks again!

Oooh, my dear Lady, I hope you'll enjoy being scolded by Raspy or maliciously reminded by the Princess - whichever figment feels like making an appearance on Saturday.

And I'm glad you could make sense of what I said - it was rather a lot at once. Go look around, and do try and read those books of Storm's. The middle one is a bit short and bare, but the other two are great.-

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